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Again - a bit bemused by the gushing I'm seeing all over. I've seen more than one person say "best episode of Who evar" and "make Neil write every episode!" But huh?

I mean, the stuff between the Dr and Idris was great, Idris herself was great, and the concept of the enemy was nice, but - the execution of the enemy was kinda bleah, wasn't it? The Rory/Amy B-plot which was supposed to sell us on how scary this villain was just came across as filler: boring boring boring. And it was outwitted ever so easily at the end.

Don't get me wrong, it was certainly a good episode. But given the above, it really wasn't a great episode. Was it?

And also. Last year I moaned that two of the only good ideas I had for Doctor Who novels had been stolen (STOLEN!) by the new TV series. Now it's ripping off my short stories as well! Blimey! (If you clicky, forgive the somewhat breathless purple-hued prose - I was so very very young...)

Date: 2011-05-15 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
Agreed. :)

I thought the final showdown was lacking - some CGI sparkles fight other CGI sparkles and that's it?

Likewise, Amy+Rory mucking about in bits of the TARDIS we've not seen before could have been astounding. Instead, we get a generic corridor pit straight out of Cleopatra 2525. I was kinda hoping House really _was_ messing with time, and instead it was just an illusion.

Date: 2011-05-15 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-orgue.livejournal.com
We are in full agreement sir.

Date: 2011-05-16 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarratt-gray.livejournal.com
What they really needed was Amy and Rory mucking around in bits of the Tardis *they* haven't seen but we have. That would have been amazing. When they first hit that corridor that was what I was expecting. Imagine them walking into Tom Baker's control room.

Date: 2011-05-17 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
Yeah. I *really* expected a callback beyond, er, 2 years ago.

Date: 2011-05-15 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
I wonder if it was partly just because it was so much better than the pirates ep.

Besides, the important thing this episode did was canonise gender-swapping Time Lords. Now there's no excuse.

Date: 2011-05-15 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bartok.livejournal.com
I'll be more impressed if they're ever able to make Dimensions in Time canon.

Date: 2011-05-15 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-orgue.livejournal.com
The bounce-back effect from Pirateland is probably part of it, but I don't think it's all. The response to the episode really has been strong.

Agree about the gender-swapping, btw. Awesome.

Date: 2011-05-15 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bartok.livejournal.com
Welcome to the club. I've been now going through 4 weeks (well 3 really, poor Black Spot isn't getting a lot of love) of being confused by how much everybody seems to be LOVING this year.

Perhaps I'm just not one for the big story-arcs.

Date: 2011-05-15 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-orgue.livejournal.com
Yeah, man. I don't think it's the arcs, exactly. The storytelling execution has just seemed consistently off. Like in the first two eps - breathtaking ambition and deft management of narrative, but completely forgot to show us any evidence that its bad guys are bad - except an absurdly unmotivated, and consequence-free, assassination in a bathroom. Which undermined *everything*.

Get it together Moff!

Date: 2011-05-15 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bartok.livejournal.com
Yes, well put. I realised that *without* that scene there's actually no evidence of The Silence actually being malevolent. Now *perhaps* this will change by the end of the year, but it's a bit silly to have to wait 13 episodes for motivation.

I mean even the flipping Queen of the Racnoss had more purpose.

I have my suspicions that what we're seeing is evidence of Moffat perhaps suffering from pressure of being show-runner. The care that I felt was taken last year was probably down to the increased time allowed for pre-production due to the 2009 hiatus. So far we've had 4 weeks of somewhat rushed-feeling television. It's reminding me a bit of 2006.

And the more I think about it the less I like having Schrödinger's Baby as a plot-device.

Date: 2011-05-15 08:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] china_shop
Maybe people aren't watching for the plot? And it was light years better than the pirate episode of appalling CPR.

FWIW, I heard a rumour that Gaiman wanted Amy and Rory to be running through lots of interesting and weird bits of the TARDIS, but there wasn't the budget for it, so he got stuck with generic corridors. Similarly, he wanted a new alien rather than an Ood, but ditto.

Date: 2011-05-16 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-orgue.livejournal.com
Yeah, I heard that budget hit it too - but that still doesn't forgive the fact that Amy and Rory didn't *do* anything. They ran, they got separated, they got united, they wept and moaned, - but none of it counted for anything, none of it was emotional action, none of it revealed anything about their characters. Seriously, if every scene they were in (after House asks them why it shouldn't kill them, through to the Doctor arriving back) was cut, the episode wouldn't change in the slightest and in fact would improve I reckon. Empty action.

Still better than pirate CPR nonsense. I have read detailed theories about how that rubbish CPR scene was another Moffatt fakeout that will be explained in episode 13! But no, no, no, it was just a rubbish CPR scene.

Date: 2011-05-16 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] craigoxbrow.livejournal.com
It was a lot of fun but it was no The Girl In The Fireplace or Blink or Midnight or Vincent And The Doctor. I suspect expectation overdose may not have helped in my case.

On the other hand, the bits in Doctor Who Confidential where he read the script aloud were lovely.

Next week, clone two-parter, and then cliffhanger. So that's four and a half stories in this block of seven episodes. Hrm.

Date: 2011-05-16 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-orgue.livejournal.com
Yeah, totally. A lot of fun but not up there with those ones. And yet I keep seeing "Eleven out of Ten!" and "Best episode I've ever seen!" comments from fans both old (old old old) and new. And I don't get that at all.

Date: 2011-05-16 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] craigoxbrow.livejournal.com
I suppose it's buying in to the premise, and the little details like apparently the thing from The War Games was the mail box, which was interesting but not compared to someone knocking on the TARDIS door in deep space. Lots of nice little details (the Blue Peter TARDIS, turns of phrase, running up and down corridors being the companions' job) but a big-only-in-show-terms idea.

Very much an episode about Who myth, rather than a story that could go somewhere else.

Date: 2011-05-17 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
'Eleven Out Of Ten' sounds like slash.

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